Suhadolnik - Kokrska Kočna (via Grdi graben)
Starting point: Suhadolnik (901 m)
Lat/Lon: | 46,3352°N 14,5102°E |
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Name of path: via Grdi graben
Time of walking: 4 h 45 min
Difficulty: very difficult marked way
Altitude difference: 1619 m
Altitude difference po putu: 1700 m
Map: Kamniške in Savinjkse Alpe 1:50.000
Recommended equipment (summer): helmet, self belay set
Recommended equipment (winter): helmet, self belay set, ice axe, crampons
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Access to the starting point:
From the motorway Ljubljana - Jesenice take the exit Kranj - East and follow the road towards Jezersko, but only as far as the village of Kokra. In this village, just a few metres before the road crosses the bridge over the Kokra River, you will see a road leading towards Suhadolnik. The road turnoff is located when we are on the right side of the river (left bank) and the road marker is approximately 7 km. Follow this road to the parking area, which is about 300 m in front of the Suhadolnik farm.
Path description:
At the beginning of the parking lot, you will see mountain direction signs directing you to the road, which will take you to a small crossroads near the Suhadolnik farm in less than 5 minutes. Here we continue along the right-hand road, and we follow it for about 5 minutes, or until the place where the signs lead us to the ascending cart track. We continue for a short distance on cart track, and then the signs direct us to the right onto a footpath which climbs moderately through the forest. Higher up, we return to cart track, which leads us a few metres further to a forest road, which we then follow to its end (it takes about half an hour to get here).
At the end of the road, the marked path splits into two parts. Continue along the left-hand path (to the right, the slightly easier "Old Path"), which continues to climb along the folded cart track. A little further on, the markings direct us slightly to the right onto torrential layers of sand, and the path continues through the forest on the other side, where it starts to climb steeply. Higher up, we reach a small cave, and the path beyond it becomes technically difficult. With the help of a rope ladder, we climb a step higher, and the path then continues on a steep slope, where occasionally a wedge helps us. Higher up, the path turns to the right, climbs steep and, especially in the wet, slippery slopes and then leads to an excellently protected crossing. With the help of wooden steps or ladders and the aid of a rope ladder, we climb up the steep slope, which would be very dangerous without the aforementioned fixed safety gear. Higher up, we are helped by a few more pegs, and the route then lays down and crosses a short exposed slope, where we are helped by an emergency fence. Just a little further on, we come to the next ladder, which does not have a belay, but the crossing is not particularly difficult. There is a short descent into a small gully, which is crossed after this. On the other side of the gully we climb steeply (a few staples help us), and then the path slowly lays down and in a few 10 steps of further walking leads us to a place where it joins the slightly easier "Old Path".
There is a short cross-climb and the path leads us to a larger plain where the "old hut" once stod. Cross the tall grasses to the other side of the plain and arrive at a marked crossroads. At the crossroads, turn left to follow the signs Dolci and Kokrška Kočna. The path then begins to climb steeply on a less well-trodden track over a grassy slope. Soon turn slightly left and cross steep exposed slopes. The path then begins to descend gently and crosses Grdi graben. Again we start climbing up the steep slope and then the path leads us to the grassy slopes (Srednji Dolci). On the right we join the path from Kokrsko sedlo, a few metres later we are again at the crossroads. Bear left towards the bivouac and Kokrska Kočna, and right towards Dolška škrbina and then on to Jezerska Kočna or Grintovec. The path then crosses a scree slope to the left and climbs over a short ravine.
Just above the ravine, an unmarked trail branches off to the left towards Bivouac in Kočna, which can already be seen and is only a few minutes' walk from the marked trail. Continue up the marked path to the right and soon start to climb up the scree. In the upper part of the scree, the path turns left and leads to a slightly more difficult rocky part of the path. Here you turn slightly to the right again and climb up the slope with easier climbing. The path is not protected, but there are enough rocks to climb up without any major problems. In the last part towards the top, the path becomes a bit steeper and there are some rope cables to help us.
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Discussion about the trail Suhadolnik - Kokrska Kočna (via Grdi graben)
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NEIC00815. 08. 2008 |
Pot je malo uporabljana. V mokrem je nevarnost zdrsa na travnatih izpostavljenih delih poti.
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fpetel118. 07. 2009 |
Ali lahko daste primerjavo med dano potjo in nadaljevanjem do Jezerske Kočne s potjo iz Ravenske kočne po Kremžarjevi poti. Hvala!
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velkavrh19. 07. 2009 |
Po Kremžarjevi poti se pohodniki na Kočne največkrat odločijo iti,ker je nekoliko krajša in najbolj pogost dostop.Kot je znano se z Jezerskega gre na Češko kočo,kjer odlično postrežejo in od tam po Kremžarjevi poti na obe Kočni.Če pa se odločimo iti do Kočen prek Grdega grabna, moramo že v Kokri zaviti k kmetiji Suhadolnik,tu se pusti vozilo in nato prek Grdega grabna do čudovitega bivaka na Kočne.Če hočemo priti do kake koče moramo nazaj grede pri bivaku zaviti na Ovčji čer na Kokrško sedlo k Cojzovi koči.Ta tura je daljša kot s Češke koče,je pa mojem mnenju veliko lepša,vendar malo obiskana.Zahtevnost je nekako enaka.meni osebno je veliko ljubša.Velja preveriti!
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fpetel119. 07. 2009 |
Hvala za informacije. Varianto od Češke koče poznam, sem pa ljubitelj manj obiskanih (tudi neoznačenih) poti in v naslednjih dneh prav gotovo prehodim to pot.
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grahlck10. 08. 2009 |
Ali so na tej poti nevarna snežišča?
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muša10. 08. 2009 |
24.7. sem šel iz Jezerskega na Češko kočo in potem na Jezersko in Kokrsko Kočno, pol pa se spustil na Dolce, nadaljeval na Kokrsko sedlo in sestopil v Kamniško Bistrico. Sestop s Kokrske Kočne je zelo neugoden, zelo veliko grušča, potrebna skrajna previdnost, zaradi možnega zdrsa. srečno
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nata2410. 08. 2009 |
NIkjer po poti ni več snega.Lp
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EUGEN16. 03. 2010 |
Na vrhu v knjigi je zapisano ,da to ni Kokrska Kočna.Kako je pravo ime tega vrha?
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lepenatka16. 03. 2010 |
Kokrška Kočna je sigurno prva soseda Jezerske. POvezani sta z zavarovano potjo. Pot po stari Suhadolni povi poti je en del slabše varovana in krušljiva, prav bi prišel še kak dodatni klin.....vsaj pred nekaj leti je bilo tako.Zadnji del, zavarovan vzpon, je pa super. Kdor ima rad melišča,kar veselo,ko bo čas za to.
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lepenatka19. 03. 2010 |
Hvala za literaturo, GorazdG. Mislim, da bI morali upoštevati izročilo poznavanje domačinov. Čimveč lepih potepanj želim G
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kolpa9. 07. 2011 |
V razmerah kot so bile 8.7.2011 zjutraj, megla in močan veter, se je praktično nemogoče v zgornjem delu melišča orientirati saj ni nobenih markiranih oznak oziroma markacij ali pa so povsem zbledele. Pri vstopu v skalo pa so markacije obnovljene in nas varno pripeljejo na vrh. Na pritožbo v Cojzovi koči mi je bilo povedano, da imajo ta del poti v "rokah" markanti PD Kranj. Enako naj bi bilo tudi z upravljanjem Bivaka v Kočni, ki je ostal po zadnjem zapadlem snegu brez pločevinaste strehe. Mislim, da bi bilo potrebno v dobro in varnost planincev obe navedeni zadevi urediti. Hvala.
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mihaj4. 10. 2014 |
Pozdravljeni! Danes smo se povzpeli na Kokrško Kočno. Travne vesine so kar zoprne in potrebno je biti zbran. Od bivaka naprej smo hodili v megli in orientacija je težavna. Na vrhu si je nekdo prilastil žig. Varovala na grebenu med obema Kočnama so na nekaj mestih načeta, a se vseeno da priti čez brez težav. Od jezerske koče pa do Škrbine so markacije dosti boljše. Lep gorniški pozdrav.
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soncyka7. 11. 2015 |
Zdravo. Že nekaj časa je minilo odkar sem bila nazadnje tukaj gor, pa se imam namen jutri odpraviti. Ker je gore že pobelil sneg pa me zanima, če je kdo v zadnjem času bil gor in bi mi izdal, kakšne so kaj razmere glede snega. Iz južne smeri iz doline je namreč videti kopna. Vseeno pa je bolje iz prve roke. Hvala in Lp
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Lisica8. 07. 2018 |
Danes naredila vzpon na Kokrsko Kocno iz smeri Cojzove koce mimo bivaka, nadaljevala na Jezersko kocno in spust na Dolce ter nazaj cez Grdi graben. Najbolj zoprn del poti je bil vzpon na K Kocno in sicer v zlebu nad meliscem nekje od slike 65 naprej. Grusca ogromno, varoval nobenih, res ves cas plezas in isces oprimke in stope v skali in se izogibas gruscu, pa se prav kratek ni ta del. Obenem si dejansko na zelo izpostavljenem terenu. Skratka meni je bil ta del cista jeb@ Nazaj pa cez tako opevani Grdi graben. Ne vem zakaj nobenemu ni vsec jaz sem naravnost uzivala v njem. Malo dol, malo gor, pa spet dol pa gor, in sem cakala kje je tisti grozni del...pa ga ni in ni bilo. Grdi graben bi jaz z veseljem ponovila.
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coffee8. 07. 2018 |
Lisica, v mokrem/zgodaj zjutraj je graben prav tako čista jeb@. Ker če te tam ubriše, se ne ustaviš na mokrih strmih travnatih pobočjih. (c;
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Lisica8. 07. 2018 |
Uff to si pa zal lahko predstavljam. Isto bi rekla za zgornjo pot na Cojzovo koco, ki gre nekaj casa vzporedno (Ovcji cer).
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dprapr8. 07. 2018 |
Tista pot od bivaka gor na Kokrško Kočno je v kopnem primerna samo za sestop. Ni ničesar na j!
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Lisica12. 07. 2018 |
@dprapr Me veseli, da je pri tebi tako. Vsak ima svoje mnenje. V Sidartinem vodniku Brezpotja je tale pot opisana kot sestop in piše, da je to 'ena najbolj sitnih poti v Grintovcih', strma in krušljiva do melišč.
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Lisica12. 07. 2018 |
@dprapr Me veseli, da je pri tebi tako. Vsak ima svoje mnenje. V Sidartinem vodniku Brezpotja je tale pot opisana kot sestop in piše, da je to 'ena najbolj sitnih poti v Grintovcih', strma in krušljiva do melišč.
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J.P.10. 07. 2020 |
Izjemno lepa in razgibana pot, tudi manj obiskana: Suhadolnik-Kokrska kočna-Jezerska K.-Grintovec-Suhadolnik. Pot čez Taško je ta trenutek zaprta. Posebej varno hodite čez travnat del saj je možnost zdrsa tam precej velika. Lp
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erikaleon26. 08. 2020 |
Suhadolnik-Kokrska kočna-Jezerska K.-Grintovec-Suhadolnik. Danes prehodil omenjeno pot.Na začetku spregledal odcep in šel po cesti zaradi teme.Višje pa taval po hudourniku čez Taško.Sledil nekim zbledelim markacijam.Ne hodite čez hudournik temveč se držite desne strani.Pot je lepa razen zgornjega melišča pod Kokrško Kočno kjer brez palic ne vem kako bi šlo.Dva klina proti vrhu pa sta izruvana tako da je treba biti previden.Lp
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M E S A2. 06. 2022 22:08:56 |
Danes na poti ni bilo posebnosti. Snega pa skoraj ni vec. Varovala, ki so, so v vecjem delu v zadovoljivem stanju. Zlasti v zgornjem delu bi bilo treba obnovit markacije. Melisce na poti navzgor zahteva veliko energije - palice pridejo zelo prav.
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