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n3jc     
30.6.2020
@gorn, beware:

- the "Frischaufov dom" lodge burned down
- the "Kocbekov dom na Korošici" burned down

But there is a bunch of other huts in these parts, check the maps! Also make sure to make reservations in advance, in the high season and especially this year this is a must!

Don't count on spending the night in "bivak" shelters, it can get crowded! And not just theoretically ... And as others pointed out, their purpose lies elsewhere.

Your primary option should be a mountain lodge. Cheap everywhere and usually great service everywhere! It also allows you to travel light + other obvious advantages.

Regarding your plan:

"Klemenča Jama through the walley, Jazersko sadlo, near following Slovenska planinska pot to Kokrsko Sadlo and reach Dom v Kamniški Bistrici. It looks like very long for one day (theoretically 10hrs, but who knows)."

This sounds kind of ambitious if the temperature is high and if you are newcomer to these parts. If I were you, I'd try to do this in smaller chunks.
Janez Seliškar     
30.6.2020
"gorn", preskočil si moj prvi stavek!
gorn     
30.6.2020
@n3jc

We do not depend on bivaks not count on them. I respect their emergency purpose. I also edited the map and marked Frischaufov dom as burned down.


Thanks for your advice, it seems to me that if we stay in Klemenča jama, than we probably shorten the plan and use Turski žleb to get back to Dom v Kamniški Bistrici. We are ready for viaferrata, so if weather permits it will be nice.

Second option will be to reach something like Dom planincov in the first day and sleap outside, which will make the second day less drastic.


Slovenian (automatic) translation:

Nismo odvisni od bivakov in ne računamo nanje. Spoštujem njihov nujni namen. Urejal sem tudi zemljevid in označil Frischaufov dom kot zgorel.


Hvala za nasvet, zdi se mi, da če ostanemo v Klemenči jami, verjetno načrt skrajšamo in uporabimo Turski žleb, da se vrnemo v Dom v Kamniški Bistrici. Pripravljeni smo na viaferrata, zato bo, če vreme dopušča, lepo.

Druga možnost bo doseči nekaj takega, kot je Dom planincov, prvi dan in poležavanje zunaj, kar bo drugi dan manj drastično.
coffee     
30.6.2020
Click "Zasebna sporočila".
djimuzl     
30.6.2020
Janez, ne se tolk sekirat. Slovenske gore so popularne tudi za tujce in - kljub "Čehom" v bivakih - prispevajo pomemben delež pri obratovanju in vzdrževanju naših planinskih koč. K temu prispevajo tudi take debate - tudi na straneh forumov, ki niso predvidene za tako konverzacijo. Bodi malo bolj popustljiv. nasmeh
gorn     
30.6.2020
Se opravičujem, če se nisem jasno izrazil. Popolnoma spoštujem le dvolične primere za nujne primere in če jih ljudje zlorabljajo, mi je žal. Naša skupina za vodenje del upravlja z zavetišči na Češkem, zato verjamem, da vem, kakšno delo je. S plačevanjem nastanitve nimam težav in edini razlog, da je nismo storili, je ta, da je zelo težko najti posodobljene kontaktne podatke za nekatere koče in težko komunicirati po elektronski pošti z nekaterimi. (automatic translation, sorry if it is funny)

I apologize if I did not make myself clear. I fully respect bivack for emergencyies only, and if there are people misusing it I am sorry for them. Our ḿountaneiring group operates shelters in Czechia, so beleive that I know what work is it. I have no problem paying for accomodation and the only reason we did not do one is that it is very difficult to find up to date contact info for some of the huts and difficult email communication with some of them.
Hribovc82     
2.8.2020
Včeraj opravili pot čez hudi prask zelo zelo zahtevna velika mera previdnosti

še kratek video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDVd-GfEnls&t=81s
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