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Kolar17. 11. 2015 19:58:54
I would not advise you to go to Triglav in such conditions with your experience, but if you really want some winter you could try easier 2000ers, such as Stol or Košuta peaks, or in Julian Alps Debela Peč, Bogatin etc.
But you should not go there alone, hire a guide or take someone experienced with you and dont forget about proper equipment.Wait at least 3 days after the snowfall!
Good luck/srečno/powodzenia!
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mariusz1984_katowice18. 11. 2015 02:00:44
Hi Tina,

Yes, I am unexperienced ... but please chill-out - unexperienced for me means 1) I didn't walk any ridge routes in winter condition - only two or three via-face "tourist" routes in rocky mountains (I expect Julian Alps via-ferratas are even more demanding than ridge routes), 2) I know the avalanche levels ... but knowing levels is only a theory (plus very little of practice) - hiking securely in winter conditions is much more complex.

I know how to use crampons, ice-axe, i have helmet ... maybe even two ... including motorcycle one nasmeh,

winter conditions and "winter" conditions are two different things for me - in winter conditions there is a possibility of avalanche (after snowfalls planned for Saturday there might be avalanche level 1). On the other hand in "winter" conditions there is a high possibility of slipping - which might be very dangerous on via-ferratas - this is what I asked (if via-ferratas are secured on the entire length)

I have walked alone alone the whole Tatra mountains (Poland and Slovakia) - without any problem / accident - hiking alone is completely OK ... in summer conditions on tourist (I don't know - but i expect also, including via-ferrata's) routes. The situation is strictly different in "winter" conditions - when a simple mistake can cause you slip and accident.

Dera Kolar, thank you for proposals which targets are OK for the next two weeks,

It's good idea to wait at least 3 days - because there will be sun and freeze - so the snow starts cementing,

I think I will rather stay home - I wanted to go by motorbike - and it is nothing pleasant to ride/hike when the temperature is -10 (C) and there are snowfals, heavy rainfalls. Moreover - it is not very safe to visit mountains alone - in such conditions.

Not yet 100% sure - but I think I will postpone the the plan of hiking Triglav, Jalovec and other Juli Alps peaks - however, they are still in my mind - maybe for 6-7 years, from the first time I
heard about them ... just like the "falling in love at the first sight" nasmeh

Thank you/hvala/dziekuje !! nasmeh
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Edina18. 11. 2015 16:03:25
Ločanka in in primoza, vzbudila sta mojo zvedavost in sem šla pogledat. Upam, da nisem zapisala kaj narobe, če pa, pa bodo popravki z veseljem upoštevani.
http://stezeinsledi.blogspot.si/2015/11/cesar-s-kraljevsko-kuliso.html
srečno na potkahnasmeh
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Rokson19. 11. 2015 15:07:02
mariusz1984_katowice,

Tominškova is not via ferrata route. It is steep route with some exposed parts. Those parts are well secured. Over it's entire length, only small part is exposed and therefore there is mostly no need for technical protection. Just so you will not be disappointed.

However, in winter conditions it is not recommended.

The amount of precipitation will probably be low, but Tominškova face north, so the snow might last until next season. In that case pick some other route.

I do not want to judge you or assess your capabilities, use your own judgment, but in winter conditions, ascent from Krma is nothing special. It is quite popular, you certainly won't be alone. If you get lucky, you might even make it to the top.

I would recommend you to postpone your visit, this weekend will not be best for mountaineering much over 2000m. Sunday may be OK, but as mentioned before, pick something easy, like Debela Peč from Pokljuka. It's still beautiful and just over 2000m. Take ice axe and crampons.

If you would like to visit Julian alps, follow the forum, you might find some company for winter ascent.

Good luck,

Rok
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mariusz1984_katowice20. 11. 2015 12:36:38
Dear Rokson,

Thank you for detailed information - especially about the Tominskova Pot, the nature of facilities and how the route is covered with them.

Currently I decided it doesn't make much sense to have a quite long trip (800km / 10 hours) and stay there all the time in city - not in mountains. I thought it is better to wait some time and observe the weather conditions (cameras, photos/reports here at hribi.net) after the planned snowfalls.

However I am not sure about my decision - the weather conditions now are very good - so It was a good chance to visit at least Triglav and Mangart. Maybe it was a better idea to go and have a plan in case of bad weather.

I have a kind request to all tourists visiting Triglavski Narodni Park in the next few days. If you have some photos of snow conditions on medium-difficult routes (like Tominskova or around Jalovec, Prisojnik, via-ferratas) and can share (by uploading, orit - I would really appreciate it.

Once again for helpful advices.
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knap422720. 11. 2015 19:19:36
Včeraj popoldne preko Plemenic na vrh, potem pa do Kredarice in sestop po Tominškovi nazaj v Vrata. Na vrhu ujel lep sončni zahod, sestopu pa na koncu ni bilo videti konca.

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proti Cmiru1
Edine žive duše, ki sem jih srečal2
vrh se pokaže3
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čez vidljivost se ni bilo za pritoževat5
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sedaj pa pol ure uživanja v predstavi9
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letos mi ponovno ni uspelo oditi v te konce13
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že na Malem Triglavu in tudi na koncu slik18
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UROS125. 11. 2015 06:54:55
Živijo ! A je kdo hodil te dni preko Plemenic in Bovške škrbine na Triglav ???
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carniolus25. 11. 2015 07:22:37
Vidim, da nekateri racate z derezami kar po suhih skalah in me zanima ali se zobovje v tem primeru kaj poškoduje? Verjetno to ni ravno koristno...
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redbull25. 11. 2015 07:31:17
Malo pobrskaj po netu pa boš vidu da je koristno racat ali pa vsak meter se preobuvat

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SamoK25. 11. 2015 07:56:01
Spet ta grozljiva vprašanja!
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carniolus25. 11. 2015 09:57:44
SamoK, v čem ti je faking problem? Kje hudiča pa naj vprašam, če ne tukaj gor? Saj ste tukaj sama smetana gorništva madona.

Redbull hvala, sem poiskal: "dereze so namenjene predvsem hoji po snegu in ledu ter krajšim
vmesnim skalnatim odsekom – hoja z njimi po naloženem skalovju in drugem terenu je zelo nerodna in nevarna za kakšen zvin".
Torej material očitno ni tak problem.
Vir: http://www.hamradio.si/~s51kq/photo_album/Climbing_and_Mountaineering/pdf_climbing/OPREMA/Oprema_DEREZE.pdf

Na netu se že marsikaj najde, drugo pa je praksa, zato tudi vprašanje kako je s tem v praksi. Žal pa si v očeh nekaterih takoj zločinec, če si drzneš kaj vprašati. Đizus.

Ma pozabite...mi je žal, da se sploh kaj oglašam.
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korl25. 11. 2015 10:30:45
Dereze si za nekaj minut hoje po skalah sezuva samo tisti ki ima raje zlomljeno "rit" kot skrhane zobe. Jih pač kdajpakdaj pobrusiš s pilo pa je
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Trobec25. 11. 2015 10:37:23
@carniolus, vidm, da si že našel odgovor.

Hja, na sklali se zobje res obrabijo, vendar to ni tak problem, se da tudi nazaj nabrusit (no, bolj so občutljive aluminjaste). Huje je, ker je hoja po skali precej nerodna. Lahko se zob zatakne v kašno razpoko in ti "potegne nogo nazaj", ko bi rad stopil naprej, posledica izguba ravnotežja in lahko kar globok padec. Pa na gladki skali dereza niti slučajno ne zagrabi tako kot gumjast podplat, torej večja verjetnost z kašen zdrs.
Seveda pa v razmerah, ko se menjuje led/sneg in kopno pač hodimo stalno z derezami, samo bolj je treba pazit. Kar da bi si vsake 20m dajal dereze gor in dol...nekako ni smiselnonasmeh

Sicer pa ja, za izkušenega gornika je odgovor na to vprašanje precej logičen in samoumeven...tako kot je za farmacevta posem logično in samoumevno, zakaj ne smemo na Lekadol piti alkohola (pravilen odgovor NI "grozljivo vprašanje" ali "zato ker tako je")
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carniolus25. 11. 2015 10:45:06
To je to. Korl in Trobec, najlepša hvala za jasne odgovore.
Ostalim pa opravičilo, če sem jih prizadel. zavijanje z očmi
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SamoK25. 11. 2015 10:46:41
Trobec, a ti glede jemanja zdravil sprašuješ po forumih?
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valun25. 11. 2015 10:48:57
Malo za šalo, malo zares: Carniolus (in drugi), polna luna je. In povzeto po lunin.net je takrat tako:

Sonce in Luna si stojita nasproti in drug drugemu kazeta svoj pravi obraz. Zato mocno custvujemo in hitro reagiramo na vsak izziv iz okolja. V ozracju je spet vec energije (par dni pred scipom vlada napetost, pogoste so hude prometne nesrece, ljudje so razdrazljivi in zal je to tudi obdobje, ko lahko pricakujemo vec nasilja, umorov ipd. Zenska, ki ima mesecno perilo ob polni luni, krvavi mocneje, vec je (tudi prezgodnjih) porodov.

Pojdite ven, med ljudi, izogibajte pa se pomembnim pogovorom - to ni primerno obdobje za nasprotovanje.

Pa srečno.
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Trobec25. 11. 2015 11:08:36
@SamoK: ne, jaz odgovarjam. In ni jih tako malo, ki sprašujejo. In predstavljal si, da nek človek, ki na forumu z medicinsko tematiko sprašuje za odgovore o nekem zdravilu dobi odgovor "grozljivo vprašanje".
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JusAvgustin25. 11. 2015 11:11:28
itak, na koncu je za vse kriva Luna... mežikanje
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UROS125. 11. 2015 20:19:32
KAJ KO BI TO TEMATIKO DALI KAM DRUGAM IN SE TUKAJ RAJE POSVETILI Triglavu ??? jezen
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Am Shagar25. 11. 2015 20:46:33
Bi bilo v redu ja. ni pa treba ravno kričat zaradi tega.zavijanje z očmi
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